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I'm your host Ryan Sprague today's

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episode is directly inspired by an

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article written by Blake asked and

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published in the Omaha world-herald on

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my sincere thanks goes out to the

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newspaper for their generous

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contributions to this episode

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[Music]

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the young patrolman took a drag from his

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cigarette trying in vain to steady his

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nerves sitting in the small police

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station mostly empty in the early

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morning 22 year old Herbert Sherman felt

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feverish and disoriented as he later

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recounted his body felt completely

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trained his head buzzed and his thoughts

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raced did this really happen to me he

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asked himself as an officer with the

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Ashland Police Department Shermer said

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that he had been trained to take notes

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of incidents in his log whatever they

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might be so there in the early morning

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quiet he grabbed a pen and scrawled a

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short message in his notebook

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summarizing the night's bizarre events

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at 2:30 a.m. December 3rd 1967 I saw a

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UFO at the junction of USA highway 6 and

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this is somewhere in the skies the

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herbert schirmer's gripping story of an

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alleged alien counter would ignite a

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firestorm of news coverage and he would

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become a legend among UFO enthusiasts

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his tale of a spacecraft and its

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inhabitants soon becoming ingrained in

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American folklore for decades to come

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Schumer gave a rare presentation of his

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experience recounting in detail what

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happened that night the following audio

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clips throughout this episode are

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directly from that presentation Shermer

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begins by giving us some detail about

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himself setting us up for the amazing

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story we're about to hear my father was

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a career man in the Air Force I went to

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school in Japan Germany France and

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Hawaii

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I jumped around quite a bit so I didn't

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get much of an education when I was

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young but I did finish it all later when

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I was 17 years old I went to the

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military service the United States Navy

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and my first news station was in

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Jacksonville Florida and then from there

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I loved the Farwest command

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and I hope serve our flag and fight for

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it and Vietnam even though I felt it was

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an immoral act of war then coming out of

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the service I went back to Missouri and

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spent a couple of months there and I

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went home to Nebraska for my folks were

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and I wasn't making very much money

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being out of service you know $2 an hour

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being a clerk wasn't my bag really so I

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wanted new refuse so I always wanted to

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be in law enforcement so I talked to my

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father about going into law enforcement

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and he decided that the state patrol in

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Nebraska would be a good idea so we fill

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out the forms and everything and I had

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to go to the ash in Nebraska to the

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police department to get a police check

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so I walked in and five minutes later I

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was a policeman they hired me there

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Shermer became an officer for the

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Ashland Police Department on December

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3rd 1967 at approximately 2:30 a.m.

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after checking on two gas stations in

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the area Shermer was driving his police

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cruiser along the USA highway 6 toward

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Nebraska as he continued down the road

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he noticed something hovering partly

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above the highway at first glance he

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thought maybe it could have been a truck

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broken down on the side of the road but

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as he approached it became quite clear

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this was trucks lights wasn't truck at

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all or any conventional vehicle it

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appeared to be a craft of some sort

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hovering in midair as I got closer and

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objects started raising these lights

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start raising up in the air to about 40

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feet I I think I was something like 50

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yards from this these lights were

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flashing and they got as they got bigger

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as I got close to it seemed like they

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were red flashing lights coming out of a

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porthole which sort of circled the the

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craft they had like a catwalk going

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around the center of it it was shaped

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like a football very metallic like a

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very shiny bumper if you polished up on

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a car ed saw a Reggie race orange EES

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glow coming in from beneath it from the

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globe Shermer could make out the craft

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it was an oblong disc about 20 feet wide

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and 15 feet tall it begin to emit a loud

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beep which became faster louder and

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shriller suddenly the spacecraft shot an

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orange red beam toward the ground

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quickly vanished schirmer's an initial

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the officer approaching the craft only

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to see it rise and disappear but having

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experienced missing time during the

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event Shermer would eventually go into

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hypnotic regression in doing so he told

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a much longer story he had not just seen

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the spacecraft he had met with the

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beings inside of it there was this white

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flash they came on to me in the trocar

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and felt as if we were being told and it

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was being told you know we were being

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told at the side of this bang to the

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left of the road and up toward the still

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the car and I I I felt nothing I at

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first I felt kind of stunned and shocked

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and then I felt sort of tingly and as

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the car I moved up the bank to the top

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of this field this object landed and

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some legs came out and had sat down I

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was just seeing a really motionless I

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couldn't move this hatch came open and

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this light came out of the hatch and

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this farm came down and looked a form of

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a human being and this farm started

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walking toward the patrol car with an

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object in both its hands appear to be

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hand and he was walking straight toward

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the patrol car as he was doing this

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another form came out and started

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walking toward the patrol car also as

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this being got in front of it walked up

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to the front of the trocar with this

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object his hand which looked sarva

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squarish oval type it looked like it had

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a lens in front of it and the only thing

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I could think was oh my god what's going

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this green light came out hold the car

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and since all light went back in again

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and I felt a sensation then and then I

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felt nothing like I was just there and

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that was it and this other being started

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walking up toward the car I was sitting

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straight looking straight I couldn't

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even move my head and he walked up to

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the car and the lender was about

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three-quarters the way rolled down and

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he had an object in his hand a silver

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object that looked like a big pencil

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with a round ball on the end of it and

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he pressed us against the side of my

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neck which I felt some pain from and

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said ouch then he stepped back and I

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started sat there and he opened up the

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car door and I saw a raised up out of

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control car and I was looking at him and

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he was looking at me and he said are you

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the watchman of this town and my

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response was yes sir

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he said come with me watchman the beam

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then took him aboard for a tour of the

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space craft which was filled with lights

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switches cables and other instruments at

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times the being appeared to communicate

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with him telepathically with words

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Shermer didn't understand the being

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explained the space craft had come to

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Ashland to harvest electricity Shermer

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would later describe the beings in

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detail he would say that they had

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cat-like eyes and didn't blink

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they had gray white skin and long and

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thin heads with flat noses in slit-like

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mouths they were silver gray uniforms

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gloves and helmets which had a small

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antenna on the left side of the ear and

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at the left breast of each suit they had

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the emblem of a winged serpent

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Shermer had the impression that the

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small antennas were somehow part of

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their communication process with him and

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does this particular beam lead Shermer

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through the craft it was a Grand Tour of

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cosmic proportions we walked a complete

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circle in there and I said what is this

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and he said this is how I craft operates

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and he said it operates on Electrical

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reversible magnetism and we walk back

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over to where I came up in with him and

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this glass sheet came down and we

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stepped onto this which I felt and we

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moved up into the second level of the

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craft and lo and behold I've never seen

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anything like it before in my life was

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so many different types of instruments

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panels and computer type things that you

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just wouldn't believe it

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this comb thing was right in the center

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of the floor you see half of it from on

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top and half up from the bottom but it

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gave off a red glow that sort of not

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flashed but kind of died down and then

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came back up again and he says what's

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been come with me and we walked over to

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a screen that was up on the side I say

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wall and it was sort of like a TV screen

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and he pressed some buttons and I guess

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flipped some switches I wasn't paying

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too much attention to him I was looking

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at the screen and some stars in the sky

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appeared on there and he put his finger

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up like this and he said this is where

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we're from watchman and then he put his

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hand back down he didn't say where

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didn't say the name the purpose that

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we're here is to get electricity and

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there was another being standing a

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little distance to way and the man

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turned to him and they both looked at

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each other and he started depressing

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buttons and he says watch Watchmen and

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there was this antenna on the outside of

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the spacecraft which angled toward a

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power unit and this bolt went out a

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color I've never seen before my life I

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don't even think I could describe it

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went out and came back and this stayed

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like this for about three minutes and

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then it went off and he turned and

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looked at me and I felt as I was getting

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a very very an awful lot of role of

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input of words that I couldn't

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understand and he reached up any he

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touched me on the shoulder and he felt

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real when he touched me and I think at

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that time I did touch him and he felt

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real to me and he says watchman come

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with me we walked back over to the exit

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I'll say where we came out and the glass

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sheet came down again and we went up

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into the third part of the craft which

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was the observation deck he said as we

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stepped off he said watchman come with

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me and we walked over we were standing

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there looking out of a big plate glass

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window type thing and there were a

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little control panel right in front of

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it and there were two chairs that it's

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like Dennis chairs you know I've been to

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the dentist dentist's chair but really

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super structure of a chair better than a

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dentist's chair

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we looked out the window and I could see

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this one being walking back and forth by

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where my patrol car was and like I said

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wow he turned to me

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and he said something I I don't

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understand and he said some more things

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that I didn't understand or I couldn't

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make out and I still don't and then he

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pointed his hand toward the plate-glass

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window eyes as I say referred to to the

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stars out there and he said to me a

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watchman one day you yourself will see

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the universe as I have and he reached up

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and he touched me on the shoulder he

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says come with me watchman and then he

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stopped and he said watchman and I

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turned around like this to look at him I

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thought I was like I was getting more

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than put of something that I couldn't

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understand

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lynnie says watchman come with me we

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walked over and we went down all the way

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out of the craft as we got outside this

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other being started walking back toward

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the spacecraft and boarded it as we were

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walking toward my patrol car and we

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stopped right by the patrol car and I

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turned to look at him and he was looking

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at me and then again it felt like I was

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receiving input of words of some kind

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that I couldn't understand he sort of

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looked at his hand and then he turned

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and walked back to the space craft

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floated up inside this catwalk things

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started spinning the light started

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flashing off and on this reg artists

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glow came out from beneath it it started

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lifting up in the air and I guess they

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got about 100 feet high in this shot

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straight out of sight

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let me tell you I was scared I started

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feeling me again when I was aboard the

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spacecraft I had hardly no feeling at

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all

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my body was tingling I was perspiring it

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was hard

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I felt nauseated I got back into the

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patrol car I turned it around and I hit

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it back for the police station Shermer

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drove back to the station physically

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shaken he went into the station looked

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at the clock on the wall and noticed it

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was 301 a.m. he immediately went to the

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bathroom to guzzle down a hefty amount

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of water he was very hot and felt

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dehydrated after that he came back out

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to his desk not quite sure what to do

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next

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I said wow what the hell happened

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something happened to me I see a flying

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saucer did this really happen to me I

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looked at my log and I remembered

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through all the training and everything

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I went through that regardless of the

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nature or what it was to put it in your

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report book because you just might need

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it so I looked at my report book and I

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got my pin out and I wrote at 2:30 a.m.

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December 3rd 1967 I saw a UFO at

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Junction section 63 believe it or not

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after logging the incident to the best

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of his knowledge

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another officer entered the office

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around 6:30 a.m. that morning he could

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tell Shermer was distracted and looked

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shaken he asked Shermer what had

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happened to him but not remembering the

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entire event at this point all he told

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the officer was that he'd seen a flying

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saucer the response he got back was a

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little unexpected the fellow officer

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says I believe you heard he says I don't

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think you should tell anybody heard

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because I don't think anybody's gonna

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believe you matter of fact you're gonna

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lose your job if you tell the people the

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truth he said well you know you said a

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lot of people wanting to accept the

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truth

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I said I'll wait for the chief he says

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now going home so I went home and I was

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I really felt like everything was

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drained completely out of my body and I

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laid down on the couch

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I started getting a buzzing feeling in

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my head it felt like I was being I had

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pressure on my body I couldn't move my

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arms I couldn't you know each other will

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be math you can't say help others they

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helped you know that while sleeping the

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phone rang it was achieved and the chief

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says get your butt down to the station

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right now

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what is this you mean you've seen a UFO

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I said I don't feel good I'm sick and

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I'm not coming down to police station he

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said I'll be right over

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so the next thing the TV came in tests

406
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came in you know newspapers radio

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stations and telephone calls started

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coming in this story had now made its

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way across the nation the local Omaha

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world-herald

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being one of the very first to cover the

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story the original article by The Herald

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attracted the attention of many readers

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but it also attracted the attention of

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the US Air Force and the government

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ensued they wanted to investigate the

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United States Air Force Condon committee

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Blue Book Project or how everyone say it

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investigating

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team came down to ash from Nebraska to

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investigate me a gentleman by the name

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of John Aaron's who is a friend of mine

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and a gentleman by the name of Roy Craig

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who was a physicist John Aaron's he

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probably hit me but he was a shrink

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psychiatrist

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Tim and I had long discussions and he

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told me to tell my story over and over

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and over and over and I told it over and

430
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over and over and over and then they

431
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found a 25 minute time lapse in my log

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and John says herb what happened to you

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between 2:30 a.m. December 3rd 1967 and

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3:00 a.m. and I looked at him and I

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couldn't say anything because I didn't

436
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remember he says you gotta come to

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Boulder that's ok

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so they took me up to Boulder and I met

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a UFO team there a lot of people who ran

440
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a lot of tests on me and a hypnotist by

441
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the name of dr. Leo sprinkler

442
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administered

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the time regression hypnosis on me which

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found out a small detail that I had been

445
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aboard the space path and that I had

446
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actually communicated with him they

447
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played the tape back to me and it

448
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shocked me I didn't know what to think I

449
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said are you is that really my voice on

450
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that tape you bet it is boy I says my

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god well I do now the members of Project

452
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Blue Book were intrigued but cautious of

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the story they would continue to assist

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in Sherman of being put under rigorous

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hypnotic regression his story never

456
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changing or swaying after Shermer heard

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the tapes of his hypnotic regression

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sessions he didn't know what to do the

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missing time had now been filled with a

460
00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:22,980
story almost too hard to believe even

461
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for Shermer and as this story started to

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surface the ridicule back home in

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Ashland only intensified locals weren't

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letting the officer off easy for

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spinning this unbelievable tale that was

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making their town of laughingstock of

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the entire state they harassed him

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aggressively Boulder the city got real

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cute you know matter of fact the night I

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left they went down to our beautiful

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Cemetery there in ashton Nebraska and

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took this dummy and hung it by the neck

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in a tree and put a big star on it shot

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holes through it and paint the hose with

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red like bed and put herb across the

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star with a cowboy hat on it and they

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really made it look big because they

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went down to the mortuary and they got

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the amateur code three runs sour rains

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red lights the whole works

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and they very carefully took it down and

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put it on a stretcher and covered it up

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I

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they thought they scared me but they

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didn't you see that's what they were

486
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trying to do they were trying to secure

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me but they didn't secure me because I

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thought it was kind of funny and I

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laughed about it when I read the paper

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and seen all the pictures and everything

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[Music]

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but while I was in Boulder they'll bloom

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I caught up with dynamite and that

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really made me mad I just got to paying

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for it

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the harassment continued and Shermer

497
00:25:10,590 --> 00:25:07,660
tried to take it in stride but things

498
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:10,600
only seemed to get worse his own wife

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00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:13,090
didn't believe the story and after many

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long nights of arguments and the

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unwanted attention put on Shermer she

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left him

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and so at many of his friends meanwhile

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the Contin committee an offshoot and

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response to the work being done by

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Project Blue Book gave their conclusions

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in their official report on schirmer's

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case stating no materials or trace

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evidence was found at the site of the

510
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claimed incident the area also tested

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negative for traces of radioactivity

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though the analysis of dr. leo sprinkle

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and several other hypnotherapists

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concluded that Shermer sincerely

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believed in the events he described the

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official conclusion by the content

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committee investigators finally declared

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they had no confidence that the officers

519
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:02,410
reported UFO experience was physically

520
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real the Condon committee would later

521
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apply the same logic to UFO sightings in

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general concluding in 1968 that quote

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nothing has come from the study of UFOs

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00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:16,840
in the past 21 years that is added to

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the scientific knowledge and quote

526
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Shermer eventually left Ashland living

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for a time in the Pacific Northwest

528
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trying to cope with his experience the

529
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aftermath and the eventual fall out he

530
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continued to make headlines in Omaha

531
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throughout the 70s when the world Herald

532
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noted his appearances in TV specials and

533
00:26:44,430 --> 00:26:42,700
books about UFOs such a sentiment might

534
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:44,440
have been comforting to Shermer in the

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volatile period after the story spread

536
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:50,170
in those days and weeks he saw counsel

537
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from friends and family rarely getting

538
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:53,950
it

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00:27:00,450 --> 00:26:56,200
but one fellow officer in particular

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00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,460
remained steadfast believing sure crisis

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I had one very good friend in Ashland

542
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:05,410
Nebraska name is Leroy dammit very close

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00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:08,380
friend and he helped me a lot in Ashland

544
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:10,450
he was one of our relief officers on the

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police department and I was really proud

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to have him as a friend as we stuck by

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Herbert Shermer died in 2017 and with

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him he took a story so unbelievable yet

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so genuine in his recounting that we may

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never really know what happened on that

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desolate road in Ashland Nebraska in

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1967 the truth remains with Shermer and

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perhaps the most important vindication

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for Shermer himself came from his very

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own father words that Sherman would take

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with him but also leave with us to keep

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searching somewhere in the skies I went

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to my father and I said dad I said I

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know you have 27 years in the Air Force

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but I asked my father point-blank dad

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what do you think of you my father never

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said no he never said yes he just said

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son if you're telling the truth stick

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campfire hi I'm Jim and we've been doing

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the show since 2009

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and we talk about ghosts cryptic

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it and you tune in you might hear a

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story like this one and as he was

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driving home he encountered a shadow

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person who seemed to be dressed like a

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monk I know that sounds very strange but

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it was a solid black form and it was

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wearing a hooded cloak tied at the waist

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with the cloak up and it had glowing red

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eyes he sees this thing coming out of a

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haven't tuned in I hope you'll check us

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